In this episode, I interview Charlie Hoehn, a keynote speaker, entrepreneur, and author who has worked with Tim Ferriss, Tucker Max and Ramit Sethi. Charlie talks about the importance of play, how it reduces anxiety and stress, and its impact on performance.
Charlie Hoehn is a keynote speaker, entrepreneur, and author of Play It Away: A Workaholic’s Cure for Anxiety (called “The cure to your stress!” by Tony Robbins) and Recession Proof Graduate (“Top 10 audiobooks on Audible” – NYTimes).
More than 1,000,000 people have read Charlie’s online articles on the importance of play. His post “How I Cured My Anxiety” is the #1 worldwide result on Google for the search “cure anxiety.” He has spoken at the Pentagon, three TEDx events, and co-hosts the “Helping Joe” Mating Grounds podcast with Tucker Max and Nils Parker.
Previously, Charlie worked for three years with Tim Ferriss as his Director of Special Projects, helping him edit and launch The 4-Hour Body (#1 New York Times, #1 Amazon overall, more than a million copies sold). Prior to that, he was the videographer for Tucker Max’s nationwide I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell movie tour. Charlie worked with Ramit Sethi during the launch of his book I Will Teach You to Be Rich (#1 Amazon overall, New York Times bestseller) and spearheaded the development of Negotiate It, a bestselling finance app. He was a director of the production and launch of App Empire — an online course that earned $2.6 million in revenue over the course of 10 days.
Charlie‘s work has been featured by NPR’s TED Radio Hour, The New York Times, CBS News, Fast Company, Harvard Business Review, Forbes, FOX Business, WordPress, Financial Times, and many others. He lives in Austin TX.
(02:11) When you hear the word “successful” what’s the first thing that comes to mind?
(02:52) Charlie’s background
(05:52) I’m interested to get your feedback. Where did you get that sense of achievement from? And why did you want to go that route to work with some of the top names?
(09:21) So what you described to me is actually more of an alignment to your values, is what you were doing when you started to attempt to work with Tim, Tucker and Ramit. Rather than “I’m driven, I need to necessarily work with these guys.” It’s more about purpose fit rather than sense of achievement.
(11:30) One of the key issues that I see a lot with people that I’m working with, clients that I’m working with, and people that I interview, and high performers in general is this: In pursuit of these goals, in pursuit of achievement and excellence, there also comes this anxiety and stress that goes with this pursuit of goals. I’ve always looked at people who had this balance of drive and also perspective, and loving yourself that has been what I’ve tried to attain, and am still trying to attain. I’d be interested to get your initial inflection point when the anxiety really was overwhelming thing for you that made you go on this different path, in your own path, which is making such an impact.
(20:18) I’m interested to get your take on anxiety in general. I’m interested in anxiety, depression, bipolar, these sort of stuff… It sounds like in your case it was more environmental or situational. Do you have a family history with depression or anxiety, or did you experience this before all that stuff hit the head?
(37:41) In your research, are there any cultures today, or historically, that have been, that you can point to as case studies for a whole society, that this is essential approach to what they do as a group and the success that they’ve had in a productivity standpoint. I guess I’m just thinking of case studies from a societal level that would be impactful.
International Perspectives On Children’s Play by Jaipaul Roopnarine
(43:23) What book or set of books would you recommend to the audience, and why?
Harry Potter series
(44:10) How much fiction do you read, out of all the books that you read?
(47:02) If you could have dinner with one person you admire, past or present, who would it be and why?
The Power of Play | Charlie Hoehn | TEDxSantoDomingo
Play It Away book